I'll let Stu and Graeme continue to hash out the Rails/Grails who's-framework-is-bigger^h^h^h^h^hbetter argument. I want to call bulls$%t on two things Graeme has said in the two posts so far:

The first, and I quote:

Rails has zero enterprise penetration, let's put that out there right now.

I don't even know how to call the right people to find the right people to help me identify candidates for dealers who could hook me up with stuff to make me high enough to take that seriously. I mean, you have to be completely blind to objective reality to even type in the words, let alone make the argument with a straight face.

The second, and I quote again:

Since [Relevance is] a Rails company...

Please stick to defining your own corporate niche, bucko. ;-) We've got a definition that's working pretty well for us so far.